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Moderator Joined: Jun 21, 2005 Posts: 264

Infections we thought we had conquered are now
coming back in super-resistant forms. And it looks
like the pace of development of new antibiotics will
be slower than the pace at which these bacteria can
learn to become resistant. This will have the effect
of setting us back to a kind of pre-antibiotic era
where we have no drugs that can defeat these
superbugs.

The pharmaceutical companies are not finding
development of new antibiotics profitable. One reason
is because they are drugs of short term use: usually
only a couple of weeks versus drugs like cholesterol
controlers which are taken for years. In 2002 out of
about 400 new drugs accepted by the FDA there were
no new antibiotics There is now a push for the
government to subsidize the development of new
antibiotics. But it will be hard to convince the public
to help the pharmaceuticals. The government now
has started a public education campaign to reduce
the overuse of antibiotics. If we can reduce the use
of antibiotics we can slow the rate at which the
bacteria will be able to learn to become resistant.
This willl be the best we can do if no genuinely new
antibiotics are forthcoming.

For an article on the superbug MRSA and more link to: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/30/60minutes/main614935.shtml

Moderator Joined: Jun 21, 2005 Posts: 264

The World Health Organization has said to expect an outbreak of bird flue; a pandemic of the avian influenza. They have become aware of a new more lethal strain known as H5N1. It has emerged in various parts of Asia. The WHO has been informing the world but the politicians have kept quiet. The population of the world knows little about it.

These natural disasters have been predicted. Now we can see them coming.

Addict Joined: Aug 04, 2005 Posts: 69

I wanted to say one thing before giving you the following info. While I do agree that antibiotics are overprescribed for every little thing, honestly I was never ever diagnosed with an ear infection, I also remember reading about how when they are prescribed, they aren't taken completely but instead used one or two days and then thrown away. This is much more dangerous than overprescription. You sprain an ankle lightly a couple of times and it gets stronger. You sprain it really bad, or tear a ligament and you'll have troubles with it the rest of your life. Same basic idea with antibiotics.

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/antimicro.htm

Though from April 2004, this article contains tons of info on the subject.

Otherwise, these two articles are very recent on the other effects of antibiotics on our bodies.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_27274.html

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_26985.html

And then there's this one which includes the following quote

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/30/60minutes/main614935.shtml

Moderator Joined: Jun 21, 2005 Posts: 264

You're right. Let me put it this way: when you stop taking antibiotics before their time they kill more of the good and leave some of the worst behind to take over your digestive tract. Antibiotics tend to kill less than ten types of harmful bacteria while killing most of the good. Either way you look at they are dangerous.

I had a mild skin infection. I told my doctor that I didn't want antibiotics but he insisted that I needed Keflex. I told him that I knew it would wipe out my intestinal flora. He said "it will come back in three weeks by eating food."

It created a feeling of disease in my gut. And it took me over two years to recover completely.

I fired that doctor!!!

Addict Joined: Aug 04, 2005 Posts: 69

It took you over 2 years to recover completely? Are you telling me you were sick for nearly 2 years?

I believe you might be exagerating a bit here. 1) what does complete recovery mean to you? 2) are you sure you never felt better at all during those 2 years? 3) When was the last time you had a slightly nauseous feeling, are you therefore still not completely recovered?

Could you explain a little more here, because your account seems to lack a bit of credulity.

I have to agree with what you said about treating the skin infection though. Unless there is fear of something becoming gangreenous, why do you need antibiotics? A simple skin infection in a mild cut, can be cleaned and scrubbed without any need for antibiotics. I had infected cuts all the time growing up on a farm. Cleaning the cut and placing a bandaid on the site cleaned it right up.

Moderator Joined: Jun 21, 2005 Posts: 264

Cwes go get your information from your authority. All I can tell you is that after first starting the antibiotics I had some form of dis-ease in my gut. It was quite nasty. I tried probiotic therapy to replenish the flora but it didn't change anything.

My family sent me a Juice Man juicer for a birthday present. It was about a year later. After three days of juicing I found there was an unexpected difference. Somehow it took away that dis-ease but still not all the way. I got over it when I became a vegaterian. Go figure.

My doctor said he gave everybody the antibiotic I got. All I can say is I feel sorry for them!

Addict Joined: Aug 04, 2005 Posts: 69

I guess your diseased gut should just remain in the unexplained category. Personally, if I had felt sick for so long I would have consulted other doctors to see if there was some other cause that the initial doctor had missed.

I have to believe that you actually felt this way though, only don't believe that you have any scientific information to prove what you believe.

Moderator Joined: Jun 21, 2005 Posts: 264

I suspect it was my liver. My doctor was of no help. He was the problem! What he learned was biased.

I know that half of what doctors have been taught is wrong and the other half right. The only problem is that they don't know which is which. It's scary.

I am not waiting for things to go wrong so that my doctor can fail to diagnose them correctly. I believe you should be proactive with your health. I choose a preemptive approach to find my weaknesses before they develop any further in order not to be dependent on failing doctors.

Addict Joined: Aug 04, 2005 Posts: 69

Yes, good idea. I just tend not to see doctors unless I can definitively say something is wrong, such as when I broke my foot, my teeth hurt and I had my wisdom teeth extracted, and the pilonidal cyst that I found that was causing a small amount of bleeding (well that was quite gross to admit.) Otherwise I haven't seen a doctor for anything, I refuse to get a flu shot, I haven't been sick. I eat a healthy diet that has allowed me to trim down, though i don't worry about organic vs large farm practice crops.

The only thing I'm worried about is the possibility of starting a family in the near future (which I have a feeling you probably share with me as far as health concerns go.)

Moderator Joined: Jun 21, 2005 Posts: 264

Starting a family is something to think about. You don't want to subject your children to the medical matrix. Grow them up strong and stout so they won't be dependent on it. Just think of the drugs they now give kids to make them behave. What a disgrace. They're probably the bright ones anyway; the ones that have a spirit and can see the hypocrisy in the first place.

You take stumbling blocks out of the way of kids; not the other way around. If you don't want a kid to touch a vase for example you don't put it where they can. It's as simple as that.

I feel sorry for teenagers today. I wouldn't want to be growing up now the way the world is; the corrupting influences that they just can't handle. All the reason to protect your kids.

Addict Joined: Aug 04, 2005 Posts: 69

I understand that, as kids my brother and I broke several crystal figurines my mom had on a shelf out of our reach (except that the wall wasn't stout enough for the big boys to not bounce the shelf off the wall.) She simply put all of that away until we had grown up enough to learn better, though part of that learning was replacing some of the things we had broken.

The quick fix is rarely the right solution. A solution is something that will fix things in the long run. But then I see people shoring up tilting porches on houses, rather than replacing the crappy foundation they were built on, all the time.) It is the culture.

I'm against the use of ridalin. I don't believe it has any beneficial effects for the user, only for those around them.

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