Upon learning what overshoot is I realized that I have been seeing its signs in America. When we are consuming greatly more than the income generated by our natural capital; and we are consuming the capital as well; we are in overshoot. And it will only last for so long before there is unavoidable collapse.
What I have been seeing here in America has alerted me to this future tragedy. The signs are our trillions in national debt. We cannot possibly pay back what we owe other countries. And our social security system is spending money that it doesn't have promising to pay it in the future. Is this not a form of bankruptcy?
I believe that when social security was created, for every seventeen people that worked they payed for the one that couldn't. I believe now there are three people working to one on social security. And that ratio is going to dwindle to two to one very soon. How will the working people support themselves if they have to pay for everyone else? They too will become poor.
It's a nightmare that America should wake up to. This is why I support president Bush's reform. We have to start somewhere and soon. This cannot go on much longer.
It is the same with the medical system. People are getting sicker rather than more healthy. Take a look at the statistics for cancer. Back in the 1940's one out of seven people would die of cancer. Nowadays it is one out of every two and a half! With all our advancment everything is getting worse. What happens when everyone is sick? Who is going to pay for it? It won't be social security!
Maybe we are already in overshoot with disaster imminant. I don't know. But I would rather be informed about our negative future than be ignorant of it.
Again you put your faith in man. Has Bush thought out a way to pay for the aging boomers when they retire? Does his plan stop people from overspending when they are younger, and not saving for a rainy day/retirement?
The real danger is that people keep thinking that they can solve their problems. This thinking has been going on for nearly 5,000 years. Has man solved any of his problems? Are we free from disease? Is there no more poverty? Have natural disasters lessened in number, or at least in effect?
NO!
To further comment on this post, there's nothing new about this. This has been happening to people since way before the Civil War. The idea of keeping up with the Jones from the 50s, was acutally keeping up with the Astors in the 00s. Everyone always wants what someone else has, rather than being content with a simply life.
If everyone would conform to the idea of living a simple life, we wouldn't need to work as many hours, or for as much pay. We would see deflation, not inflation. Sure a short lived recession might occur when makers of 22" chrome rims realize they can't sell anything anymore (of course I mean all makers of completely worthless flashy things.) But those people will quickly rebound by getting into the competitive markets that would be created for necessities.
Again where does the recommendation of living a simple life come from? From the same source that tells us to not put our faith in earthling man, and the same source that says that man has dominated man to his injury. Yes, that's the Bible. Read it sometime.
Yes, it does not. It also says do not put your faith in earthling man, and that these men you put your faith in, namely George Bush, only stand in relative position. When will people who call themselves Christian learn that they can't meddle in political affairs. Jesus said that his followers would be no part of the world, yet you continue to try to "improve" things in your own way instead of trusting that God will fix things in his own time. Where is your faith?
Warnings of upcoming economic crisis in America:
Greenspan says US has "lost control" of defecit
'We have lost control,' that was his expression," Finance Minister Thierry Breton was quoted telling the press after a face-to-face meeting with Greenspan.
"The United States has lost control of their budget at a time when racking up deficits has been authorized without any control (from Congress)," Breton said.
Yes, it does not. It also says do not put your faith in earthling man, and that these men you put your faith in, namely George Bush, only stand in relative position. When will people who call themselves Christian learn that they can't meddle in political affairs. Jesus said that his followers would be no part of the world, yet you continue to try to "improve" things in your own way instead of trusting that God will fix things in his own time. Where is your faith?
cwes I guess you need not go to a doctor for any health problem or drive a car to get to work or have electrical lights in your house or even use that computer you're typing on! I mean why have you put your faith in man's inventions for your everyday life? Why do you help pollute the world with your automobile. Even using the electricity in your house pollutes this god created world because the power plant that provides electricity for your house burns fossil fuels.
Why do you use man's evil inventions that will only lead man to the oblivion of godlessness? Why indeed have you become so dependant on man's creations? I mean shouldn't you be waiting for god in some dark corner of the wilderness? Shouldn't you simply accept existence as simple and basic without any of the perks of Satan?
Oh yeah I forgot you do have an escape hatch for sin...Jesus...Well then I guess you can continue on sinning!
You think you are being smart, but you aren't. The bible says to be separate from the world, but it also says to preach the word of God. Are these two things mutually exclusive? Should I move into the dessert like the Anchorites and hope God rescues me in his appointed time? No, I should follow both commandments. I have no part of this world in how it worships men, money, idols, and every sort of unclean thing. I also take the preaching work to heart.
Also, did the Jews turn down all the monetary help, and the supplies and the decree from Cyrus to rebuild Jerusalem after he freed them from captivity in Babylon. Should I turn away from the technology of today which makes my preaching work easier? Should I not use the roads and sidewalks to travel to people and talk to them about the Bible?
What's wrong with the wars described in the Hebrew texts? Did God not have a reason to destroy or evict these people? Had they not done many perverse things even though they had been warned and knew what God would do to them if they did not change? In fact, several of the tribes in the land did not die, but made treaties with God's people.
What about the Bible book of Jonah? Yah the guy swallowed by the big fish. Do you know what the rest of the story was about? The city of Ninevah was going to be destroyed. Yet they turned around and repented and pleaded with God not to destroy them, and he didn't.
How unfortunate that you know more than a bit of the Bible, but refuse to learn all that it has to offer. Instead you use the parts you want, to rationalize or justify your life. While I don't claim to be perfect, far from it, I recognize how sinful I am, I know that I have to keep studying and striving to be better. Apparently I can't convince you to do the same, just as Jesus confronted a man who said he had followed all the commandments but he could not give up his rich lifestyle and follow Jesus Matt. 19:16-22.
As for Nick, do you know what is right? On what do you base your knowledge that you are the absolute in what is right? Does God speak to you? Does the Bible somewhere tell you to place your faith in a modern man because he will save the earth? You know the Jews thought this about Jesus, and that's why they wanted to make him king. They didn't understand that he wasn't on earth to setup a kingdom of man, but to preach the word about a heavenly kingdom soon to come.
Your faith is in the ruler of the world. The one who offered all the kingdoms of earth for one act of obeisance.
You think you are being smart, but you aren't. The bible says to be separate from the world, but it also says to preach the word of God. Are these two things mutually exclusive? Should I move into the dessert like the Anchorites and hope God rescues me in his appointed time? No, I should follow both commandments. I have no part of this world in how it worships men, money, idols, and every sort of unclean thing. I also take the preaching work to heart.
You sound like all the other high profile religious figures; "Oh I preach the word of the lord so it's ok for me to have these millions of dollars, limousines, mansions, women, etc"
Look Jesus had no need for technology, his apostles were taught to have faith and with faith they could cure the ill, exorcise demons, move mountains! cwes you couldn't do any of those things with your faith so you rely on Satan's goodies to help you.
If anything cwes you proved your faith in Satan is far greater than your faith in god. You prove that getting food, housing, transportation, health treatment, etc is more effective through Satan than praying to god for those needs. Yeah I know your next response is "God works in mysterious ways!" Yet not one modern day preacher or follower could feed 10,000 people from just 12 small baskets of food...
(Luke 9:1-4) . . .Then he called the twelve together and gave them power and authority over all the demons and to cure sicknesses. 2 And so he sent them forth to preach the kingdom of God and to heal, 3 and he said to them: “Carry nothing for the trip, neither staff nor food pouch, nor bread nor silver money; neither have two undergarments. 4 But wherever YOU enter into a home, stay there and leave from there.
(Luke 22:35-37) 35 He also said to them: “When I sent YOU forth without purse and food pouch and sandals, YOU did not want for anything, did YOU?” They said: “No!” 36 Then he said to them: “But now let the one that has a purse take it up, likewise also a food pouch; and let the one having no sword sell his outer garment and buy one. 37 For I tell YOU that this which is written must be accomplished in me, namely, ‘And he was reckoned with lawless ones.’ For that which concerns me is having an accomplishment.”
(1 Timothy 5:8) 8 Certainly if anyone does not provide for those who are his own, and especially for those who are members of his household, he has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith.
(Ephesians 4:28) 28 Let the stealer steal no more, but rather let him do hard work, doing with his hands what is good work, that he may have something to distribute to someone in need.
(2 Thessalonians 3:6-12) . . .. 7 For YOU yourselves know the way YOU ought to imitate us, because we did not behave disorderly among YOU 8 nor did we eat food from anyone free. To the contrary, by labor and toil night and day we were working so as not to impose an expensive burden upon any one of YOU. 9 Not that we do not have authority, but in order that we might offer ourselves as an example to YOU to imitate us. 10 In fact, also, when we were with YOU, we used to give YOU this order: “If anyone does not want to work, neither let him eat.” 11 For we hear certain ones are walking disorderly among YOU, not working at all but meddling with what does not concern them. 12 To such persons we give the order and exhortation in [the] Lord Jesus Christ that by working with quietness they should eat food they themselves earn.
(Philippians 4:10-13) 10 I do rejoice greatly in [the] Lord that now at last YOU have revived YOUR thinking in my behalf, to which YOU were really giving thought, but YOU lacked opportunity. 11 Not that I am speaking with regard to being in want, for I have learned, in whatever circumstances I am, to be self-sufficient. 12 I know indeed how to be low [on provisions], I know indeed how to have an abundance. In everything and in all circumstances I have learned the secret of both how to be full and how to hunger, both how to have an abundance and how to suffer want. 13 For all things I have the strength by virtue of him who imparts power to me.
and for Nick
(James 4:4) 4 Adulteresses, do YOU not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God.
(Psalm 146:3) 3 Do not put YOUR trust in nobles, Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs.
This has turned into a religious battle. Not good!
No more spouting bible versus cwes.
They don't belong; unless you use them to talk
about the future that is.
(Luke 9:1-4) . . .Then he called the twelve together and gave them power and authority over all the demons and to cure sicknesses. 2 And so he sent them forth to preach the kingdom of God and to heal, 3 and he said to them: “Carry nothing for the trip, neither staff nor food pouch, nor bread nor silver money; neither have two undergarments. 4 But wherever YOU enter into a home, stay there and leave from there.
(Luke 22:35-37) 35 He also said to them: “When I sent YOU forth without purse and food pouch and sandals, YOU did not want for anything, did YOU?” They said: “No!” 36 Then he said to them: “But now let the one that has a purse take it up, likewise also a food pouch; and let the one having no sword sell his outer garment and buy one. 37 For I tell YOU that this which is written must be accomplished in me, namely, ‘And he was reckoned with lawless ones.’ For that which concerns me is having an accomplishment.”
(1 Timothy 5: 8 Certainly if anyone does not provide for those who are his own, and especially for those who are members of his household, he has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith.
(Ephesians 4:2 28 Let the stealer steal no more, but rather let him do hard work, doing with his hands what is good work, that he may have something to distribute to someone in need.
(2 Thessalonians 3:6-12) . . .. 7 For YOU yourselves know the way YOU ought to imitate us, because we did not behave disorderly among YOU 8 nor did we eat food from anyone free. To the contrary, by labor and toil night and day we were working so as not to impose an expensive burden upon any one of YOU. 9 Not that we do not have authority, but in order that we might offer ourselves as an example to YOU to imitate us. 10 In fact, also, when we were with YOU, we used to give YOU this order: “If anyone does not want to work, neither let him eat.” 11 For we hear certain ones are walking disorderly among YOU, not working at all but meddling with what does not concern them. 12 To such persons we give the order and exhortation in [the] Lord Jesus Christ that by working with quietness they should eat food they themselves earn.
(Philippians 4:10-13) 10 I do rejoice greatly in [the] Lord that now at last YOU have revived YOUR thinking in my behalf, to which YOU were really giving thought, but YOU lacked opportunity. 11 Not that I am speaking with regard to being in want, for I have learned, in whatever circumstances I am, to be self-sufficient. 12 I know indeed how to be low [on provisions], I know indeed how to have an abundance. In everything and in all circumstances I have learned the secret of both how to be full and how to hunger, both how to have an abundance and how to suffer want. 13 For all things I have the strength by virtue of him who imparts power to me.
and for Nick
(James 4:4) 4 Adulteresses, do YOU not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God.
(Psalm 146:3) 3 Do not put YOUR trust in nobles, Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs.
Wooo Weee cwes could you flush that log? It really stinks!
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