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ZapFuture ~ View topic - What's the Matter with Einstein?
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Changeling
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:41 pm  Reply with quote
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Dain,

I find it very interesting that the electron to the proton is on the same order as Plank's length is to an electron. An electron orbit covers more area proportionally than a solar system.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:27 am  Reply with quote
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Changeling wrote:
Dain,

I find it very interesting that the electron to the proton is on the same order as Plank's length is to an electron. An electron orbit covers more area proportionally than a solar system.


Changeling,

Say that an electron does cover an area larger than our solar system in relationship to the size of the entire atom. So far we have only had 4 vehicles approach the point that can be considered out of our solar system, the two pioneer probes and the two voyager probes. We lost communications with two or three of them already, maybe the fourth also, I really have not heard. Anyway, the point is that we are just beginning to realize that the Ort cloud is probably filled with hundreds if not thousands of planetary bodies from the size of asteroids to maybe the size of Mercury. If we could make the solar system that we live in the same size as an atom what would we see if we could distinguish one or two different items? We would see the Sun and Jupiter. We might be able to see Saturn but Neptune and Uranus would be very small compared to Saturn. Earth and all the inner planets would be undetectable, and the Ort cloud might make a nice blur.

That is why I think we need to be able to see these particles. The added problem is the speed. To really shrink the solar system down in the example you would have to also spin the rotation of Jupiter up to the speed of light (or whatever that really means). The other thing I am wondering is if we are given the opportunity to view say two hydrogen atoms as we might view our own solar system, would the hydrogen atoms be identical? Wonder if they are not identical? I doubt that they are identical, yet in our world we assume they are the same because we can not detect the difference, but the difference might be crucial to understanding how matter works.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:41 am  Reply with quote
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The other thing I am wondering is if we are given the opportunity to view say two hydrogen atoms as we might view our own solar system, would the hydrogen atoms be identical? Wonder if they are not identical? I doubt that they are identical, yet in our world we assume they are the same because we can not detect the difference, but the difference might be crucial to understanding how matter works.

Agreed, on everything, exept for the "ort" cloud (it's Oort).
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555Joshua wrote:
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The other thing I am wondering is if we are given the opportunity to view say two hydrogen atoms as we might view our own solar system, would the hydrogen atoms be identical? Wonder if they are not identical? I doubt that they are identical, yet in our world we assume they are the same because we can not detect the difference, but the difference might be crucial to understanding how matter works.

Agreed, on everything, exept for the "ort" cloud (it's Oort).


"Jan Hendrix Oort (1900-1992), Dutch astronomer"
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Thanks for pointing this out I really had no idea and never noticed the spelling before. The spelling is as strange as the cloud. Smile
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